VL 003 - "Sock-A-Bye-Baby"

Anthony Martin — Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:41:00 -0700

Theology:
- Ken Ham DVD #2
  - Slippery slope: “If we don’t believe in 6 literal days, we actually open the door to the collapse of Christian Morality in our nation.”
  - Postulation: You don’t get “millions of years” from reading the Bible alone. (Anthony asks, Do you get “molecules and atoms” from reading the Bible alone? The idea that we are all just big molecular machines undermines the bible, so do we throw out the idea of molecules and atoms due to the theory of the molecular machines notion?)
    - Ergo: It’s obvious that God created everything in 6 literal days. This proves that there is something wrong with man’s theories.
    - Even if this is incorrect, we can still conclude that there is something wrong with man’s theories. In fact, this is a self enforcing statement.
  - The Gap Theory
    - So when did the angelic rebellion happen?
      - After the account described in Job 38:4-7
    - Ham: No death before sin proves there was no gap.
  - Ham: “In a sense, I’m not interpreting [Genesis] literally, I’m just reading it as it is.”
  - No thorns before sin? Thorns were a consequence of sin? How did that work exactly?
    - Ham says there was no death before sin. He cites:
      - Genesis 1:29â€“30 (Ham “proves” there was no death)
      - Genesis 2:16-17 (I say “knowledge of good and evil” is different from “good and evil”)
    - Ham says a Gapist doesn’t believe the complete and literal 6 day creation account.
    - Ham doesn’t believe in six day creation account either. He says that after God was finished with creation He went ahead and created the thorns on the roses after the fall.
    - If there was no sin before mankind fell, did the serpent sin by tempting Adam and Eve? Say Adam and Eve resisted the temptation instead of succumbing to it, did the serpent sin in this act alone?
      - Doesn’t this prove sin existed before mankind fell?
Programming/Technology:
- Inform
  - Download App
  - Download Anthony’s Sandbox
Update On Aaron’s Java Progress: None
Zhorn Software: Bart
Podcast Digest:
- The Sitter Downers (Diet Western Short):
  - Loafer Feedback Policy: whatever man
  - Should a Christian’s goal be to get to (i.e. strive for) heaven?
    - The Animation
Next Time On Vagabond Loafers:
- ~~The Book of King Solomon by Ahimaaz, Court Historian~~ (we didn’t read it, so we never talked about it in show 004)

"VL 003 - "Sock-A-Bye-Baby"" by Torri

Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:59:06 -0700

Aaron, I clarified on the last show that We cannot earn our way into Heaven. It is only through salvation. That quote was not really what I feel. Salvation is not works based. I was tying to get through to Tom without the Bible and that obviously didn't work. But I did address this on the show, I guess you didn't listen to it yet.

Vagabond Loafers: VL 003 - "Sock-A-Bye-Baby"

VL 003 - "Sock-A-Bye-Baby"

"VL 003 - "Sock-A-Bye-Baby"" by Torri