Posted by Anthony Martin
Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:46:00 GMT
This may seem like review, but this is actually new material. We talked about this subject back in Episode 002, and this is a response (mostly by Aaron (what else is new?)), to Fellowship and Frivolity. But it’s been so long, likely nobody remembers even what was even said.
Posted by Anthony Martin
Sun, 23 Sep 2007 03:41:00 GMT
Theology:
Ken Ham DVD #2
Slippery slope: “If we don’t believe in 6 literal days, we actually open the door to the collapse of Christian Morality in our nation.”
Postulation: You don’t get “millions of years” from reading the Bible alone. (Anthony asks, Do you get “molecules and atoms” from reading the Bible alone? The idea that we are all just big molecular machines undermines the bible, so do we throw out the idea of molecules and atoms due to the theory of the molecular machines notion?)
Ergo: It’s obvious that God created everything in 6 literal days. This proves that there is something wrong with man’s theories.
Even if this is incorrect, we can still conclude that there is something wrong with man’s theories. In fact, this is a self enforcing statement.
The Gap Theory
So when did the angelic rebellion happen?
After the account described in Job 38:4-7
Ham: No death before sin proves there was no gap.
Ham: “In a sense, I’m not interpreting [Genesis] literally, I’m just reading it as it is.”
No thorns before sin? Thorns were a consequence of sin? How did that work exactly?
Ham says there was no death before sin. He cites:
Genesis 1:29–30 (Ham “proves” there was no death)
Genesis 2:16-17 (I say “knowledge of good and evil” is different from “good and evil”)
Ham says a Gapist doesn’t believe the complete and literal 6 day creation account.
Ham doesn’t believe in six day creation account either. He says that after God was finished with creation He went ahead and created the thorns on the roses after the fall.
If there was no sin before mankind fell, did the serpent sin by tempting Adam and Eve? Say Adam and Eve resisted the temptation instead of succumbing to it, did the serpent sin in this act alone?
Doesn’t this prove sin existed before mankind fell?
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